Sustainable Hemp With Noah Fishman Of Zenbarn Farms – Ep15

Sustainable hemp farming not only results in pure and rich CBD for consumers, but also aids in the preservation of our planet. In this episode, Noah Fishman joins us to talk about his family’s cannabis store and restaurant, Zenbarn Farms.

Tune in to hear a discussion on the process of sustainable cultivation and testing of products, as well as how Zenbarn Farms is partnering with organizations to advance key causes and address societal injustices.

Insights From The Episode

  • How Noah began growing hemp and incorporating it into his family’s restaurant menu, which generated tremendous feedback from the community.
  • Why Zenbarn Farms’ most popular products meet customer needs utilizing formulations that include CBD, CBG, and CBN.
  • A look into how the cultivation process of hemp ensures sustainability, as well as how the farm’s process of testing guarantees high-quality products.
  • Zenbarn Farm’s effective way of supporting initiatives that work to undo societal injustices, and how the cannabis industry can be a driver for change.
  • What stigmas can be associated with cannabis that might lead to misconceptions about CBD’s healing qualities.
  • Why the future of CBD must include a focus on quality standards and creating accessible products.

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About Zenbarn Farms

Zenbarn Farms is both a restaurant and CBD store located in Waterbury, Vermont. Noah and Marlena Fishman are the owners who have a passion for building community and giving back to the land they love. Zenbarn Farms restaurant was the first CBD infused and drink program in Vermont. Zenbarn Farms retail store sells the best Vermont hemp products, and donates 1% of profits to social and environmental causes.

Episode Transcript

Scott: Hey, what’s up, everybody? Scott here with you, and welcome to another episode of the “CBD Guide Podcast.” We’ve got another great one for you today, where we’re going to be talking to Noah Fishman who is CEO and co-owner of Zenbarn Farms. And Zenbarn Farm is a locally owned and sustainably made Vermont Wellness brand dedicated to elevating health through plant-based CBD supplements.

The Waterbury Anti-Racism Coalition is also a grassroots organization working to combat racism and promote equality in their hometown. And Zenbarn Farms’ owners, Noah and Marlena Fishman, are currently working with the organization in a leadership capacity to enact real change in Waterbury. So, currently, Zenbarn Farms is donating 1% of sales to the cause, which is going towards a permanent mural installation and educational work in local schools.

So it’s really important work and just a part of the great things that Zenbarn Farms is doing. And as for Noah, after a career in international development and nonprofit management, Noah co-founded Zenbarn Restaurant and Farms. And as a social entrepreneur, Noah’s passion is at the confluence of activism and business, building sustainable and ethical business models. So that’s a lot, but we are so lucky to have Noah here. Noah, thank you for being here.

Noah: Thanks so much. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Scott: Absolutely. I always like to start with this question when I bring folks on, how did you first discover CBD and realized it could offer so many potential benefits for people?

Noah: So, about five years ago, my brother and I started a restaurant in our hometown, and that was after years of…I was working in different nonprofits, community development, and all that kind of stuff. And I kind of had never thought much about CBD. We started this community-based restaurant, live music venue. I had always thought about like cannabis and had been, you know, somewhat of a cannabis user over the years, off and on.

And when about the second year of our operation of the restaurant, Vermont legalized the production and use of CBD, and we were really excited. You know, we had a small farm that we were growing for the restaurant for personal use and have few other committee members involved in our little community farm. And so we were really excited to be able to start to grow cannabis. And we started growing it, and then we started putting it onto our menu, which we ended up being the first place to start a CBD cocktail program in the State of Vermont.

Scott: Oh, wow.

Noah: And the customer response really drove us. I mean, we thought we liked it, and it was really cool. It was a way to kind of have an alternative to alcohol or enhancement to some of the alcohol we were surveying. And really it was a good fit for us, and customers just loved it. So that sort of spurred us to say, “Hey, you know, we’re very community and customer-driven place. And we just started to work with it more and more on the menu, and that really led us into our brand of this sort of sub-brand of Zenbarn Farms.

Scott: Okay. So it was like you have this restaurant, you kind of…you’re growing cannabis, you’re including it as part of, you know, your offerings at this restaurant, and then you just say, “Hey, this is really hitting a note with our community here, let’s start Zenbarn Farms.”

Noah: Basically, in the wide diversity of people that loved that product, you know, we had anybody from, like, folks that had never tried cannabis of any sort before. They were like, “Well, I’ll try CBD.” And they’re trying it and they loved it. Or, you know, the old and young, you know, people that you would never imagine would be cannabis users based on all the stereotypes were getting into CBD and really excited about it.

And then they start to come and say, “Well, this actually helped with my chronic pain,” or, “It helped me kind of, like, not be so nervous in a social situation. It kind of, like, you know, just make me feel less stressed out.” And we started to see all those outcomes in just…at first, you know, I was one of those that was kinda like, “This stuff really work.” And then you start to hear so much positive feedback. Like, there’s something really powerful about this plant.

Scott: That’s such a common thread when I talk to folks about, you know, their customers saying, “No, this is helping me this way and, you know, I could never get a good night’s sleep or what have you, and then I started making this part of my wellness routine, and lo and behold, I’m getting eight hours every night,” you know, these kinds of things. It’s a common story.

I wanna dive into some of your guys’ products. Because, you know, these are what you guys are putting together and what people are really responding to. So you have a variety of products including oils and CBD flower as well, what are some of your most popular among your customers, and what are they saying about them?

Noah: Absolutely. So we just spent the last year during COVID, really going to work on R&D, product development, and, especially, like listening to our customers, finding out what do they want for products. There’s a lot out there. There’s a lot of competition in the CBD world. You know, we started with our real craft-grown, high-quality, high-grade flower across the board for everything and full spectrum extraction. But from there, there are just so many opportunities. You know, we have a close relationship with a really excellent lab out here, and we’ve been able to really design products that meet customer needs right where they are, where our customers are, and where their issues are.

And more and more we’re finding people who were specifically coming to us with, you know, three kinda core issues, sleep, stress relief, and pain relief. So we kinda really try to focus there. And then we added a layer, you know, we’re coming from a restaurant so we want everything to really taste good and harness like the great taste and aromas that come from cannabis, but also bring in some culinary touch so that it’s a good experience all around.

So we just released our new version of all of our products basically. So we had our tinctures, it’s oil-based, MCT oil tincture that is sleep, calm, and focus. The calm is our core 1500-milligram tincture format that has our full spectrum oil in it, and we’ve enhanced that with botanical terpenes that bring out more of that calming effect to really get even to that deeper state of relaxation. We’re finding customers are really enjoying it. It tastes great. It’s not like just a cast-off flavor, it’s the terpenes really add to the whole experience.

Scott: There’s intention.

Noah: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And then our sleep formula, I mean, probably number one or number two, and the reason why people come into our store, come to our brand is sleep issues, especially, over the pandemic, I think, have just spiked in… You know, sleep is a huge thing, and often we’re like, “Well, let’s give you CBD and let’s let that do the work and kind of, like, reduce the stress and maybe some pain that’s causing you to stay awake at night.” But we found that CBN has been really effective for our customers.

And so we ended up making…you know, scan that core baseline CBD products. We added CBN to that. Then we also brought in a special blend of terpenes, to, again, like, really get you into sleep mode. And that’s been a really, really popular product. Then we have another product that’s CBD plus CBG. So these are both, like, enhanced products. You get your base core of CBD. You bring in that extra dose of, you know, 500 additional milligrams of CBG and CBN. So CBG one, we’re finding really effective for certain types of, like, joint pain, things like that, deeper calming and stress relief as well.

But also it seems a lot of people are really saying that it can help them kind of focus and give a little more energy. So it’s been kind of a nice daytime kind of, like, energizing, stress relief formula as well. And then also, we did all of our topicals, our bestselling topical from the previous iteration was what we call Wolf Balm, which is a really concentrated cooling, relieving, pain relief salve. And that one we’ve made some great improvements to. We’ve actually added CBN to that as well. So it’s 1000 milligrams CBD with CBN and really powerful pain relief that people are really loving. And then we have a daily salve that’s, like, you know, we call our Daily Zen, which is just like a full-body kind of moisturizing…all body pain relief and moisturizing salve.

And we got a lot of other stuff coming down the pipeline, that’s kind of our core. You know, we do our great, like, craft premium Vermont pre-rolls and flower. We have a bunch of non-alcoholic beverages coming out as well, which we’re really excited about.

Scott: That’s fantastic, I mean, really covering all the spectrum of what I think a lot of folks, when they are interested in CBD, they’d be looking for in terms of results and types of products there. And I also want to highlight, that’s so great that, you know, obviously through the pandemic and all of the challenges there, you guys kind of took it as, “Well, this is maybe an opportunity to really retool some things, and make what we are doing even better,” right?

Noah: Definitely. The pandemic, like, threw us for a huge loop. I mean, we’re a restaurant, live music, events venue on the one hand, and then we have our CBD brand business. We were poised to open last April and, you know, we got delayed until August, but, at a certain point, we just decided to go for it. We were wondering if we should even try to launch this new venture during COVID, and we just decided, “Look, we got people here, they wanna work. We got to keep this going.” You know, there’s nothing… We had, in a way, a little more time on our hands, because we partially shut down the restaurant.

So we really pivoted to try to really build a brand that we thought would really be sustainable and successful long-term, and have products that we felt like just weren’t quite out there very readily on the market for our customer base. Again, really thinking about who it is that we work with and that are coming to us for help.

Scott: So, Zenbarn Farms grows its own hemp and really seems to handle the process of producing all these products you were talking about, really, every step of the way, starting with your growing and your cultivation. I’m curious, what’s that process look like just at the highest level, and how is it done so sustainably?

Noah: Yeah. I mean, you know, we kind of come from a background of, like… I mean, we’re not real, like, true farmers, I guess, but we’ve been working in farming our land and paying a lot of attention to our lands. This is my family land I grew up on, 42 acres here in Waterbury, right next door to the restaurant that we started and about another few doors down from the CBD retail shop.

So, you know, I have this deep…my whole family and the people that work for us, we want them all to be very connected to the place that we kind of grew out of, and that we grow, that supports us. So, I think, it comes down to a sense of the land and the history of the land and trying to work from the soil up. One of the things I did before all this did develop statewide composting program. So I do have a pretty good sense of building soil. So I feel like, you know, you grow great soil, and then the plants, they kind of go from there.

Scott: They respond to it.

Noah: Yeah. So, a lot of it, you know, all the food scraps from our restaurant… So our community helps us. So all the food scraps that they don’t need or the stuff from our kitchen, it all goes back to our farm right next door and turns into compost to grow the hemp. So you get with that diversity of food and all that rich nutrients that come from, you know, the really good food that we make, you know, plants like that, too. So we make compost and we try to really keep it a closed-loop system. You know, our hemp plants require very little additional supplements, you know, a little bit here and there.

And we’re keeping it small and very contained, so we’re growing just enough for oil, for our products. We’re not trying to grow, you know, acres upon acres. You know, we’re going for quality rather than quantity. You know, it’s all done pretty much by hand. You know, we use irrigation, but it’s pretty, you know, hands on, you know, very hands on. We’re going to look at each plant, make sure it’s growing well and, you know, dealing with issues as they come up and getting the maximum yield we can out of each plant so we can really be efficient with our resources, both human resources and natural, you know, resources and nutrients and such.

Scott: That’s fantastic. I mean, that’s really incredible, and I love that once again just kind of leading with that sustainable approach of “Okay, how can we get the most out of this?” And, you know, treat this land, as you mentioned, that’s been in your family for decades, you know, the right way. So, okay, you grow, and that all goes great. Next comes extraction and creating these products and, of course, you know, there’s testing, what’s that process look like at a high level, and what are some of the ways you ensure that quality continues to be maintained once you reach that point?

Noah: Absolutely, yes. So we have a really tight partnership with the incredible lab up here that’s doing CO2 extraction, which is… You know, there’s a variety of ways to extract CBD. This one we found to be, for us, really the most efficient, effective way to achieve the kind of products that we want. These are, you know, state-of-the-art equipment, test it before and after, and then third party tested for all of our products.

And, you know, we’ve really tried to, like, create a supply chain that is committed just, like, we are, at a high, high quality, and committed to really creating products to make an impact on people’s lives. So we do both, like…you know, it’s not just extraction, we’re working hand-in-hand with scientists and folks at our lab that are really experts in their area to really make sure that we can create the right formulations and the right concentrations and final products that are really gonna hit those key pain points for our customers. Like, if we wanna get people to sleep in a natural way, what’s it gonna take? You know, so we can really try things out, pilot them, let our customers try things, and go back to the lab to finesse, to make sure that we have really accurate testing every step of the way so we know what we’re giving people and we get feedback.

You know, we don’t have these huge studies out there, we’re very little yet for our industry. So we’re having to do it very much at the grassroots level, which I think is really interesting and really fun. And we’re learning a ton, you know, and I think the products are just getting better and better.

Scott: Absolutely, and I think that shows the value of having such a strong community around your farm and your business here is that you can get that feedback. And I’m sure, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure you chat with your customers all the time of, like, “Oh, yeah try this new product. How did that help you?” And that kind of informs you and then you have that sort of grounded science that drives things forward when you’re going to create, right?

Noah: Hundred percent. I mean, that’s how we run it all…like our restaurant, too. It’s all customer feedback-driven. Every week at my management team meeting is, I ask, “What do we hear from customers? What do they like? What didn’t they like? How do we get better?” It was just one little thing. It’s like, you know, the restaurants [inaudible 00:16:21.899] is just like “Oh, well, the straw is not quite right. Let’s change the straw or let’s…” You know, we’re at…we could do one thing better than each week, then, by the end of the year, we’re a lot better, and our customers are happy.

And same thing, as I took the approach with the CBD business, in the cannabis world is just like let’s build those closed type connections, let’s get to know our community, whether it’s hyper local community here in Waterbury. But we have tons of tourists coming through right next to Ben and Jerry’s here in Waterbury. We have people coming from all over the world, and we’re trying to build this broader community where people feel like they can just give us a call and say, “Hey, you know, took this CBD last night and wondering, you know, should I go to a higher dose,” or, you know, “What do you think I could do for this other issue I have?”

You know, we want people to come to us and view us as a resource, and we can work at that with them. And we also have other…if we can’t answer the question, you know, we’re building a network of people that…of experts, you know, whether it’s other, you know, health practitioners or even, like, therapists, and organizations, nonprofits, that also, you know, we can all come together to help people. Ultimately, it’s about the outcomes for them, health and wellness outcomes for them. There’s times when maybe it’s not CBD, and, look, we can’t… The CBD is not gonna help this issue and maybe you need additional help from someone else or something else. And, you know, we’re there for our customers also, not just to try to push a product on them.

Scott: That’s fantastic.

Noah: And it’s about trust, it’s about trust. You know, I think, that’s where it comes down to, and we’re trying to build that trust. And that’s what the basis of community is, some idea.

Scott: Absolutely. And kind of continuing with that discussion on community and really, you know, giving back, I think, I mentioned at the top about the incredible work you guys are doing. I know 1% of all your sales go to cannabis for a cause. What’s the story behind that, and why is that such an important thing for your business to, you know, take…go a step further, okay, yeah, part of the community, all this good stuff, but also now let’s give back?

Noah: Yeah. I mean, I kind of view it as…the 1% thing, I think, in this industry, in particular, which has been fraught with so much injustice, I think, I felt like it was important, and we as a team felt like it was critically important to have a steady way that we’re supporting initiatives, movements, organizations that are working to undo the injustices of the past.

And the 1%, the money of 1% we built into the model from the beginning. Because we felt like we want to create some funding to do some of this work. But that’s really just the, you know, foot in the door. That’s just like, all right, yes, we’re trying to be a basic, responsible, good company. I think, in my view, any good, basic, responsible company in this sector should consider a giving program of that sort. But that’s not where it ends. It’s about some small fraction of the work…

Scott: It’s a baseline, yeah.

Noah: Yeah. So I think that gives us an entrée into, like, all right, we’re a part of this you know sustainable kind of enterprise, whatever you wanna call it, but there’s so much more than used to be done. And that’s why we’re really not just, like, throwing money at causes, but partnering with organizations, and developing our own kind of organizations to advance key causes and to support movements that are happening.

I mean, we really see this as a revolutionary moment where we can make very substantial impact in the world. If we do this right in the cannabis industry, it can be a driver and a force for real change, if we can harness its power and the economic resources behind it and the healing power of it, of the plant.

Scott: I mean, that’s really powerful, Noah, and I’m glad you put it that way. Because, you know, folks listening right now think about what we’re talking about with Zenbarn Farms and what they’re doing. They’re talking about, you know, sustainable, you know, farming and things like this, and re-using, you know, what they have. And, being a part of their community and helping people with their products, and going a step further and contributing to and driving important causes forward, I mean, this is, I guess, how you become an ambassador and part of, I guess, a whole system, right, in a good way, which we need more of. So, I’m curious, what do you think is one of the biggest misconceptions about CBD still, and how can those who are passionate about CBD in their products clear up these misconceptions?

Noah: Yeah. I mean, I think we certainly still have people that just don’t know…you know, they still think of it as it’s tied up with the stigma of THC in cannabis. They think that it gets you high, I don’t really 100% disagree with that, I think. So, in a way, the misconception, I think, it’s more the stigma attached. And, I think, people tend to think that CBD is something that’s, like, for people that are looking to have a recreational, fun experience versus the vast majority of people that come to us using CBD regularly are addressing chronic problems and are really seeking out CBD for health issues, and very legitimate health issues, and are often getting off very harmful drugs with CBD, getting off opiates, stopping taking antidepressants, things like that. You know, we’ve seen so many of our customers have been wanting and needing to get off those drugs, pharmaceutical drugs, and just can’t because these issues are underlying. And they’ve been able to use CBD as a powerful way to start to do that.

And I…given myself, I was really surprised at this sort of seriousness of our clientele, in terms, of why they’re coming to us for their health needs. And they can’t get that help often from their doctors right now. Their doctor is like, “Well, I can’t talk to you about this.” So, they’re coming to us with very…sometimes very serious. I mean, we have cancer patients come in. We have people that, you know, have some serious chronic pain. They’ve been on opioids, and they want to get off them, and we’re helping them. It’s not like… I mean, in some ways, I’m like, “I wish you could just talk to your doctor about this. But given that you can’t, we’re gonna do our very best.” So, you know, I would like the people that come in or that just view us as this, like, you know, hippy is getting high kinda.

Scott: Right, just partying, whatever.

Noah: It’s like you should hear the stories, you know. It’s real.

Scott: So, I guess, kind of pursuant to that, let’s say someone’s newer to the world of CBD but, you know, they’re maybe unsure. Because they’ve heard, you know, some of the talk or whatever, they’re skeptical, maybe, about the benefits or what have you, what might you say to them just to encourage them, “Hey, maybe try it out, maybe give it a chance and see if it helps you”?

Noah: Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, CBD can be really effective, and there’s not really any known side effects so it’s a great thing to try for any number of issues. And I think one of the challenges we have is that there’s a wide variety of products out there, some are just not very well made or, you know, very effective, and they’re coming from a different method of growing plants for the purpose of just mass production. And, you know, it’s like a heirloom tomato versus like a tomato that’s, like, mass-produced and has no flavor, I mean, you’re gonna get a very different experience.

So we do get a lot of people that are like, “Well, I tried CBD once, didn’t work for me. I didn’t feel anything, didn’t help me.” So people get turned off. They think it’s just like trying to sell snake oil. I think, really finding a trustworthy source of CBD that’s, you know, from a farm that has…they can tell you where it’s from, that’s grown really well with care and that’s extracted with care. Because every step of the way you can lose a lot of the medicine. So if we can, you know, get people… Often times, I’ve had very good luck, once we can get people to try our product, especially, if they’re dealing with stress, anxiety, certain, you know, pain, and sleeplessness, those kind of issues, we’ve had huge results, and people whose lives were transformed, really.

So if we can get them to try good quality products, they’re often…and give them a little bit of advice on how to take it, right, people are having really good luck. You know, there are those that it doesn’t work for, but I would say the biggest thing is to really try to get that trust in the relationship with a provider of quality product, and give it a try, be willing to kind of, like, see what it does for your body, and see if it works, maybe give it a couple of weeks of trying it, because it, you know, also does take some time, you know, to kind of kick in sometimes for some people, depending on lifestyle and, you know, use of different products, and we put a lot of things into our body so we can’t expect more.

Scott: Right. So bottom line, you know, maybe rather than just writing it all off, because you picked up some random thing from a gas station that said CBD on the side, you know, go ahead, maybe try to do a little research and find folks, maybe like Zenbarn Farms, that are doing things right, right?

Noah: Exactly. And it’s not… There’s a lot around the country doing this right, so there’s plenty of options. I mean, I’m really proud of what we’re doing but, you know, we’re part of a much bigger community of quality growers who are making very, you know, quality products. So, you know, there’s a lot of good options, they’re right in your community, probably. You can find us online. We can sell across…it’s every state, but, you know, there’s good quality product everywhere. And there’s no reason why we can’t be using this a lot more for our general health and wellness.

Scott: Sure. As we kind of wind down our discussion here, Noah, I always like to kind of look to the future. So what do you see for the future of CBD as a whole, and how might the landscape change, evolve in the months and years to come?

Noah: It’s gonna be really interesting, like, in here, in Vermont, we’re on the verge of full cannabis legalization. Next year we’ll have presumably the ability to sell THC products alongside CBD and all the other cannabinoids. I think, it’ll create a much more full spectrum of products, where we can sell products that are more tailored to each customer’s distinct needs, harnessing the power of cannabis, you know, broadly. I do think that even with that, even with the power of THC, which can be really effective, CBD is still an incredible plant with a real purpose, especially for those who are sensitive to THC, which is a lot of people.

So I see the industry really just continuing to grow. I mean, more and more people every day. I mean, we get new people every day in our store who are brand new to CBD, just trying it and getting into it. I think, the market is just growing. I think that we really need to get hyper focused on quality standards for our industry and products that really speak to our customer base and address the issues that are coming to us and the pain points that are specific issues they may be having, but also, like, you know, they don’t want to consume something that tastes horrible. Or, you know, there’s a lot of things we can fix, make it convenient, make it accessible. You know, we’ve done a lot of work to get our pricing down, for example. I mean, CBD has been very expensive. A lot of people can’t afford the kind of…to take CBD as much as they should.

So we worked really hard in our supply chain, partnering with really great farmers and with great producers to get to a very competitive space with our pricing. And, I think, that’s a huge thing, so that people who need to take 50, 75 milligrams of CBD a day could actually afford that, you know, because that’s one of the reason why people are having not good luck with CBD is it just, like, they’re taking too little parts, because they just can’t afford it.

So, you know, I see a really robust future, but, I think, we’re gonna have to get a lot more serious about being…you know, creating great products at a great price. And my hope is that we also can really leverage this industry for good causes, to create great jobs, to empower people to get in this industry that have been left out of many industries and to really create some real change in our society.

Scott: And I’m glad you mentioned the cost aspect as well. That’s great to hear kind of taking that approach, because, you know, I’ve heard that too. But when we were kind of talking about the quality, one of the drawbacks some people might say is, “Well, yeah, but then you go, and the thing is, the gas station CBD is cheaper,” you know. But it’s like there’s a reason for that, but if you can focus on things like in your supply chain and bringing that down, that’s great. That’s fantastic, yeah.

Noah: Yeah. I mean, you know, we went in the last year, just by example, we had our 1500-milligram CBD tincture was $85 last year. We just got that same tincture that’s actually a better formulation, more effective, with terpenes, down to $60. So, just as an example of the kind of impact we can make, we put some real effort into it. You know, we’re really focusing on that a lot, and we’re not compromising. We’re actually just creating real partnerships with other sustainable brands. We’re still doing our giving program. Everything is still intact.

Like, this can be done. It’s not just a race to the bottom, it’s a matter of getting smart, getting efficient, and putting out really quality products. So I’d really encourage other producers too, like, let’s get this efficiency going, let’s get product. Because, you know, we don’t want people to have to go and get that, you know, mass-produced inferior product just because they can’t afford the stuff they were producing.

Scott: Noah, thank you so, so much for joining me on the show today, really sharing the story behind Zenbarn Farms and all of the great things that you guys are doing in your community, really powerful stuff. And before I let you go, if folks are listening and they’re curious, they want to check out some of your products, find out more, where can they do that? Where should they go?

Noah: Yeah. The best thing, you can visit us online, zenbarnfarms.com. You can also check us out on Facebook or Instagram. Or, you can come to visit us in Waterbury, Vermont, right around the corner from Ben and Jerry’s. We have live music, a venue, restaurant. We do events, and we have our CBD store. A lot going on out here, a great place to visit, beautiful in the summer, fall foliage, all that. So would love to see you in person or through the social media, website world as well.

Scott: Fantastic. Thanks again, Noah.

Noah: Thank you so much.

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